LGBTQ+ People Should Have Zero Legal Protections or Recognized Relationships
Yeah, so I don’t want legal recognition of those relationships.
In Douglas Wilson’s own words: 6 quotes from 2023 to 2026, from NPR Morning Edition, Sam Harris and CNN, each cited to the source.
Wilson The things I would change — some would be constitutional amendments. I’d want to see abortion outlawed everywhere. I’d want to see Obergefell overturned.
Fadel So no same-sex marriage. No abortion.
Wilson No same-sex marriage. I’d like the LGBTQ+ thing to go away at the legal level.
Fadel So there would be no legal protections for LGBTQ+ folks?
Wilson Correct. There would be no special carve-outs for them. [...]
Fadel But you would want to make it illegal for them to be in partnerships. You would want to restrict what they could do in their bedrooms.
Wilson Oh, you mean, like, sexual partnerships, like marriage? Yeah, so I don’t want legal recognition of those relationships.
Let's say if I were, you know, Christian nationalist king for a day, [Obergefell?] would be done. No same-sex marriage at all. [Sam Harris: “Same-sex couples would not be able to get married. They would not be able to adopt children.”] Correct.
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The series of appointments in the federal judgeships that led to the overturning of Roe would be the central thing. Our church doesn’t have a spire with a bell on it yet. But if we had the bell, that would have been when Dobbs came down. We would have been ringing it all day. [Pamela Brown: “And you want to see Obergefell…?”] I want to see Obergefell go the same direction.
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I'm not plotting with administration officials to make a move on Obergefell, but I am very vocal about it. So I think repealing Obergefell is an attainable goal in our current climate... I think there'd have to be an increased number of conservative Christians in the Senate. You would have to have trained, capable judges who were evangelical Christians... Before, Senate confirmations, hearings were all about abortion. I think the next ones will be about Obergefell... And so if you have more Christians in the Senate, if you have Christian men nominated, and the Senate has the kind of people who don't fold under pressure, then it is a doable thing.
And the laws of matrimony are not currently being upheld by our rulers, and merely extended to people who happen to be a little more creative with their sex organs. No, the goal is the abolition of marriage. These laws are not mildly adjusted marriage laws. They are laws that will have the effect, in the very near future, of nullifying and/or outlawing marriage. These current laws are not standing between us and the devil. These laws are the devil.
You see, if the gospel says that repentance and belief actually mean something in this world—like canceling that sex change operation, or forgoing the nuptials with someone whose genitalia are uncannily similar to yours, or letting your kid stay alive, or even worse, having a repentant king say that such goings-on ought not to be going on—such particulars might create a stumbling block.